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Post by montanapilot on Oct 24, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
Thanks for that, Kevin.
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Post by montanapilot on Nov 1, 2019 14:24:02 GMT
bones-
Re the windshield that you replaced in 2016, when was that windshield (the cracked one) installed?
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Post by montanapilot on Nov 2, 2019 16:55:01 GMT
bones and houman-
As I understand it, both of you had windshield cracks, you replaced them with new windshields, and they also cracked. I have 2 questions:
1. What year were the windshields replaced?
2. Did the replacement windshields (please confirm that these also cracked) have holes drilled in them? Some of the earlier aircraft had holes drilled in the windshields (for mounting, I think) and the factory ultimately discontinued drilling those holes.
Thanks! I'm trying to determine exactly how many windshields have cracked (aside from the ones with the holes in them) in order to determine the magnitude of the problem.
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Post by danal on Jan 26, 2020 1:39:30 GMT
When I purchased N837TA, I placed a deposit and was waiting for weather that would allow me to go inspect the aircraft, purchase it, etc. Feb of 2019. The broker (Mark) reported the bubble canopy cracked. It was replaced at the Cirrus shop in Mankato MN. At that time, it had the factory original bubble canopy, which was a one piece. The replacement process changed the aircraft to the two piece canopy. In approximately November of 2019, in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, the canopy cracked again. Right side only. I am in the process of replacing it now.  |
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Post by montanapilot on Jan 26, 2020 18:13:33 GMT
As some of you know, I've been keeping track of the windshield cracking incidents since, at some point, I want to go to work on getting it resolved. I'd rather not discuss exactly how I'm going to do that on the forum, but anybody who's interested can either email me at pittspilot1@gmail.com or call me at 406-261-7950 and I'll be happy to discuss that.
I regret that Danal has to deal with this, but it now gives me enough incidents to make it worthwhile to deal with.
I just want to confirm what I've recorded so far. I show windshield cracks from me, Kelly in Kentucky, Cole505, houman, and now Danal. I understand that Danal's is a canopy and not a windshield, but I think that actually strengthens the case since one of Tecnam's excuses is that the material is okay, it's just that when you install a windshield in a composite frame, it can break. In this case, the canopy is not in a composite frame, so I think that argument would now be difficult to make.
Please let me know if (1) I'm missing anybody, and (2) confirm Cole505 and houman.
Thanks,
Marshall Friedman (Montanapilot)
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Post by danal on Jan 27, 2020 15:02:28 GMT
Be sure and count me twice. Once with a one piece bubble, and once with the starboard side of a two piece.
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Post by montanapilot on Jan 27, 2020 16:36:45 GMT
Thanks, Danal. Just to clarify - was the one piece canopy an old style and discontinued canopy? I just want to make sure that I understand what you consider to be "one piece" and "two piece"
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Post by montanapilot on Jan 27, 2020 17:51:45 GMT
FYI to the group - I'm sending out a letter to all owners of Tecnam P2008's and Astores, describing the problem that we're having with our windshields and asking them to get back to me if they've had cracks in either their windshields or their canopies. I have to think that there are some non-forum members who've had the same problem. I was a bit surprised at what to me is a low number of the 2 models registered with the FAA. There are 62 P2008's and only 21 Astores. Of the 62 P2008's, Tecnam US is shown as the owner of 10 of them. Of the 21 Astores, 2 are registered to Tecnam US.
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Post by danal on Jan 28, 2020 17:20:48 GMT
Thanks, Danal. Just to clarify - was the one piece canopy an old style and discontinued canopy? I just want to make sure that I understand what you consider to be "one piece" and "two piece" Correct. The "one piece" had a single piece of plexi that drooped over the frame from below pilot shoulder, arched overhead, to below passenger shoulder. The key lock and twist handle at the top center passed through both the frame and the plexi. The two piece has independent pieces on left and right. The full conversion kit includes a piece fabricated from fiberglass and painted black. That piece goes top center BEFORE the two plexi pieces are installed. The key lock and twist handle pass through the original frame and this new piece. In fact, if you look very carefully at a frame that has been converted, the "black rubber" sealant that surrounds the plexi also runs all the way around this new top piece, including fore and aft. I don't know for a fact, but I'd be willing to bet that purpose built frames for two piece don't show this rubber fore/aft of the top center. |
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Post by LSA Flyer on Jan 28, 2020 22:21:23 GMT
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Post by buzz on Jan 28, 2020 22:32:08 GMT
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Post by Flocker on Jan 29, 2020 1:35:27 GMT
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Post by LSA Flyer on Jan 29, 2020 1:52:28 GMT
No report to NTSB filed but ended up as a total loss on the Insurance salvage offering: www-265.aig.com/AviationSalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?SalvageId=2976That must have been one hard landing! Technically no report is required if damage is just to the landing gear. Interesting Tecnam wanted no part in repairs. It could be self repaired as an ESLA and flown again but not used for training. I hope it just gets parted out. Looking at the impact damage to the landing gear I 'd not want to trust the wing. |
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Post by jetcat3 on Jan 29, 2020 4:08:33 GMT
I saw that airplane in US Sport Plane’s hangar in Denton, TX. I wonder if it’s still there.
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Post by cole505 on Jan 30, 2020 19:21:58 GMT
Yes, I wonder what happened?
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