DavidOber
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Post by DavidOber on Mar 8, 2021 18:16:36 GMT
Well, this is the first time we have flown since the Texas deep freeze and we never saw it before that. Anyway, I am waiting on Josh for guidance. Nathan in Denton said he has a stop drill bit and some clear RTV (silicone).
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Post by Glenn on Mar 8, 2021 21:13:09 GMT
Well, this is the first time we have flown since the Texas deep freeze and we never saw it before that. Anyway, I am waiting on Josh for guidance. Nathan in Denton said he has a stop drill bit and some clear RTV (silicone). I hope Nathan's work will allow you to continue to fly it and not replace the windshield till you're ready. |
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DavidOber
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Post by DavidOber on Mar 9, 2021 16:03:41 GMT
Stop drilled ![]()  |
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Post by cole505 on Mar 9, 2021 16:17:43 GMT
Hi David,
Pleasure speaking with you this morning 👍🏻 Let me know if you need anything will be happy to assist you .......
Ray & Lucy 👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸😊✈️
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DavidOber
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Post by DavidOber on May 7, 2021 14:33:29 GMT
Update: Tecnam is sending me a new windshield under a "parts only" warranty (I will have to pay for installation). In addition, they have developed a new windshield support piece. I have attached the job card for your information. 1415 Cartone di lavoro - P2008 Reinforcemnt....pdf (890.07 KB) I don't know how this all works, but thought I would pass on the info. David. |
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Post by Glenn on May 7, 2021 14:45:22 GMT
David, my fingers are crossed for you.
Let's all hope Tecnam has found the cure. I downloaded and read the job card. It entails adding a piece to strengthen the fuselage at the upper part of the windshield area. So if this prevents recurrence then the issue was flexing of the fuselage.
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Post by cole505 on May 7, 2021 16:20:23 GMT
Hi David,
How refreshing that Tecanam came out with a fix for this problem. After Four windshields on my 2012 P-2008. I hope they are doing this on all new P-2008”s to prevent this from happening again! It took me 40 full hours to replace my windshield and Tecnam refused any assistance……… your extremely fortunate that they are paying for the windshield I paid $1800.00 plus another $300.00 for primer and sealant … also the new reinforcement piece will probably add another 15 hours having to pull the headliner down and glue in the new reinforcement bracket…… I would consider letting Marks team at Wells Aviation do the work. Expect to pay around $4000.00 in labor and I am being very conservative it maybe be much more with the new bracket needed….. please let me know if you need any further info always happy to assist you 🐶👍☀️🇺🇸😊😊😊😊
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Post by Ed Midgley on May 7, 2021 23:46:13 GMT
Does anyone know if later planes have this reinforcement already installed when the plane was built?
Ed
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DavidOber
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Post by DavidOber on May 7, 2021 23:52:58 GMT
I’m guessing not. I received the following from Josh on April 13th.
I received feedback from the factory that they are developing an improvement to the windshield. They told me the new part for installation will be available tomorrow and the new Job Card for installation will be available within the next few days.
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Post by cole505 on May 8, 2021 1:27:51 GMT
Hi David,
I am wondering if the new bracket can be installed on any P-2008. I can assure you all it would be cheaper to install the bracket before any problems occur ( pro active not reactive ) with the windshield. I hope the 2022 P-2008’s have the new bracket installed. Again your very fortunate that you are replacing your windshield with the new bracket installed. I only wish I would have had the opportunity to install the new bracket. So glad Tecnam is finally admitting there was a problem with the fuselage flexing! I had pleaded with these people and told them there has to be something causing these cracks! It was always user error or the pilots damaged the windshield. I also believe if they increase the thickness of the windshield just by a millimeter would also be the final touch! We would never again speak about this, because there would be no reason for them to crack…….
David I hope it all goes well for you!
Ray & Lucy 👍🏻🐶🇺🇸🇺🇸☀️
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Post by buzz on May 8, 2021 2:39:28 GMT
Well I have a few questions. The directions show the install with the window off. Any great ideas how we can get good contact between the new part and the inside of the roof when we cant fit a clamp around the parts? Without cracking the window in the process. Any idea how much this weighs? I was just told by a reliable source that Tecnam believed that the cause of the cracking was due to expansion and contraction due to temperature. Guess that is no longer the the belief or is this fix just a shot in the dark?
When I purchased my plane I opted out of the chute. I was worried about the additional weight. Later on through this forum I found that those of you that had the chute installed, your empty weight was nearly identical to my plane. I could not understand this as I think the chute and assembly weighs about 30 pounds. I inquired about this because it made no sense to me. I was told that the planes with the chutes had lighter weight fuselages as they extract more resin out of the fuselage layup so that they could accommodate the added weight of the chute. So the obvious questions in my mind is did the planes that have had cracked windows have chutes. Does the extraction of more resin make the finished product weaker? I have no idea but would like to know the answer
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Post by Ed Midgley on May 8, 2021 12:29:48 GMT
Good point Buzz.
I don’t have a chute and haven’t had any problems in 1000 of flying.
The real solution would be Polycarbonates (Lexan) There are companies now that make them for race cars and some aircraft with a protective coating that keeps them clear of scratches. A goose would bounce off of it at 150kts.
Ed
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Post by cole505 on May 8, 2021 14:41:13 GMT
Well I have a few questions. The directions show the install with the window off. Any great ideas how we can get good contact between the new part and the inside of the roof when we cant fit a clamp around the parts? Without cracking the window in the process. Any idea how much this weighs? I was just told by a reliable source that Tecnam believed that the cause of the cracking was due to expansion and contraction due to temperature. Guess that is no longer the the belief or is this fix just a shot in the dark? When I purchased my plane I opted out of the chute. I was worried about the additional weight. Later on through this forum I found that those of you that had the chute installed, your empty weight was nearly identical to my plane. I could not understand this as I think the chute and assembly weighs about 30 pounds. I inquired about this because it made no sense to me. I was told that the planes with the chutes had lighter weight fuselages as they extract more resin out of the fuselage layup so that they could accommodate the added weight of the chute. So the obvious questions in my mind is did the planes that have had cracked windows have chutes. Does the extraction of more resin make the finished product weaker? I have no idea but would like to know the answer Hi Buzz, My 2012 P-2008 was sold new with Out the chute and later added by the previous owner. The weight and balance did change by about thirty pounds. And I agree it definitely has something to do with expansion & Contraction. I am glad no one else is having these problems, but the windshield replacement is a Major Job and then some! Because they are basically glued into the fuselage and have to be painstakingly removed a tiny bit at a time. And the prep work on the new windshield is painstaking as well it has to be custom fitted to each airplane, that’s right you have to Taylor the windshield to fit and it takes a lot of time to make sure there are no contact points on the fuselage that could create a hot spot! I was also thinking maybe like Ed said maybe Tecnam changed the resin formula on the newer models? The fact remains is that Tecnam is making this new reinforcing bracket for a reason they won’t do anything until they absolutely have too take some type of corrective action…… some of the cracks that happened on my previous P-2012 right in front of my eyes! One when it was about 35 degrees OAT I pulled the plane from the hanger into the morning sun CRACK! And it was loud! The other big one was at 10500 feet and that was a really scary one! I almost declared an in flight emergency 🆘 Also these cracks happened around the entire circumference of the windshield. I like your question about the resin I hope we find the answer to that question one day…… Ray & Lucy ☀️😊👍🏻🐶🇺🇸 |
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Post by ash31mi on May 8, 2021 18:28:04 GMT
I inquired about this because it made no sense to me. I was told that the planes with the chutes had lighter weight fuselages as they extract more resin out of the fuselage layup so that they could accommodate the added weight of the chute. So the obvious questions in my mind is did the planes that have had cracked windows have chutes. Does the extraction of more resin make the finished product weaker? I have no idea but would like to know the answer Buzz, that's a very good question. And the next question will be - if the resulting lighter weight fuselage is adequate for something that ends up 30lb heavier, then why not use it for all fuselages?! |
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Post by buzz on May 9, 2021 1:02:40 GMT
Well I have a few questions. The directions show the install with the window off. Any great ideas how we can get good contact between the new part and the inside of the roof when we cant fit a clamp around the parts? Without cracking the window in the process. Any idea how much this weighs? I was just told by a reliable source that Tecnam believed that the cause of the cracking was due to expansion and contraction due to temperature. Guess that is no longer the the belief or is this fix just a shot in the dark? When I purchased my plane I opted out of the chute. I was worried about the additional weight. Later on through this forum I found that those of you that had the chute installed, your empty weight was nearly identical to my plane. I could not understand this as I think the chute and assembly weighs about 30 pounds. I inquired about this because it made no sense to me. I was told that the planes with the chutes had lighter weight fuselages as they extract more resin out of the fuselage layup so that they could accommodate the added weight of the chute. So the obvious questions in my mind is did the planes that have had cracked windows have chutes. Does the extraction of more resin make the finished product weaker? I have no idea but would like to know the answer Hi Buzz, My 2012 P-2008 was sold new with Out the chute and later added by the previous owner. The weight and balance did change by about thirty pounds. And I agree it definitely has something to do with expansion & Contraction. I am glad no one else is having these problems, but the windshield replacement is a Major Job and then some! Because they are basically glued into the fuselage and have to be painstakingly removed a tiny bit at a time. And the prep work on the new windshield is painstaking as well it has to be custom fitted to each airplane, that’s right you have to Taylor the windshield to fit and it takes a lot of time to make sure there are no contact points on the fuselage that could create a hot spot! I was also thinking maybe like Ed said maybe Tecnam changed the resin formula on the newer models? The fact remains is that Tecnam is making this new reinforcing bracket for a reason they won’t do anything until they absolutely have too take some type of corrective action…… some of the cracks that happened on my previous P-2012 right in front of my eyes! One when it was about 35 degrees OAT I pulled the plane from the hanger into the morning sun CRACK! And it was loud! The other big one was at 10500 feet and that was a really scary one! I almost declared an in flight emergency 🆘 Also these cracks happened around the entire circumference of the windshield. I like your question about the resin I hope we find the answer to that question one day…… Ray & Lucy ☀️😊👍🏻🐶🇺🇸 Your issue certainly sounds like it was temp induced. Yours is one reason I question this new fix. I would imagine you have some pretty big temp swings where you are. Note to self....gradual warming of the wind shield when possible. |
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