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Post by Flocker on Aug 13, 2016 1:23:45 GMT
What's the knob above the cubby on this P2008 that is not on the demo P2008 in Sebring? Looks like a panel dimmer switch.
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Post by mackattack on Aug 13, 2016 15:33:18 GMT
Tim and I figured out why his heater is so effective and mine sucks. We both get heat from a cowling around the muffler. BUT Tim has a ram-air intake directly to the outside, which pushes high volume air over the muffler cowling into the cabin. He can cook himself out of the cabin if he wants. On the other hand, my Astore has a scoop BEHIND the radiator for ram air. Only a small volume of air gets through the radiator for input into my muffler cowling, eventually trickling into the cabin under low pressure. Hence I freeze in the cold weather. Mine is poor engineering and his is great engineering. This is puzzling in that his plane is older and mine newer. Apparently the engineers were having a bad day when they designed the heat system for the Astore. Disappointing. Perhaps they corrected this in the newer models of the Astore. MacAttack and CharlieT: Does your Astore have an outside ram-air opening for your heater? Honestly, I'm not sure... with OATs here in the 100-degree range, I have not tried the cabin heat yet! Let me know what to look for. Mine was built in late 2014 so I suspect it's the same as yours ...
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Post by geobuff on Aug 14, 2016 4:31:12 GMT
Here is a poor quality pic of my Panel. I guess the sun was on the lens. These are Dynon Skyview TouchScreens. The small meter in the center of the picture is my CO2 detector. Right next to it is a RAM mount for my IPad, which I only use on Cross Countries. I have my O2 bottle behind the seat.
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Post by geobuff on Aug 14, 2016 4:40:52 GMT
Tim and I figured out why his heater is so effective and mine sucks. We both get heat from a cowling around the muffler. BUT Tim has a ram-air intake directly to the outside, which pushes high volume air over the muffler cowling into the cabin. He can cook himself out of the cabin if he wants. On the other hand, my Astore has a scoop BEHIND the radiator for ram air. Only a small volume of air gets through the radiator for input into my muffler cowling, eventually trickling into the cabin under low pressure. Hence I freeze in the cold weather. Mine is poor engineering and his is great engineering. This is puzzling in that his plane is older and mine newer. Apparently the engineers were having a bad day when they designed the heat system for the Astore. Disappointing. Perhaps they corrected this in the newer models of the Astore. MacAttack and CharlieT: Does your Astore have an outside ram-air opening for your heater? Honestly, I'm not sure... with OATs here in the 100-degree range, I have not tried the cabin heat yet! Let me know what to look for. Mine was built in late 2014 so I suspect it's the same as yours ... MacAttack: Here is a picture of my heater cowling input sucking air from behind the radiator. Just not enough air pressure down there to force the hot air into the cabin. This is what you see if you lie on your back and look up the front wheel opening.
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Post by buzz on Aug 14, 2016 6:14:52 GMT
Buzz: Do you need to hold the 796 up to the window when flying commercial to get a GPS signal? Sitting in a tin can makes it tough. I have panel mounted vents and don't think they are any better than a vent located elsewhere. I DID install window vents however. Turn them to catch the wind and you have a hurricane inside the cockpit. I usually use them in suction mode, which makes the panel vents more effective. The biggest problem I have is heat vents. My plane heat comes from a cowling around the muffler, and it sucks. There is one vent on the firewall. I freeze my butt when the temps are near freezing, and since I like to fly high, it is often below freeing in the spring and fall. I would not attempt to go north in the winter at any altitude. Those of you who have radiator heat are SO lucky. Tim also tells me his P2008 heater is great. Don't know if it is a radiator. I really like the Dynon also. Seems like the screen is easier to read than the Garmin, but that may just be familiarity. Like you, I also have all the buttons. Yea, touch screens in bad weather are useless. Dynon tech support is great. They are always available to talk one-on-one. I call them so much all the guys know me. I should use the manual more, but it is so easy to just call them and get it over with. I installed a new 2020 compliant GPS antenna this week and called them to see if I needed stainless steel mounting bolts because of potential magnetic interference. They said no. I was worried that any ferris metal might effect performance. Do you have the new SV-GPS-2020 antenna? The old one works fine but is not 2020 compliant. Also, with the old one you get a bad report from FAA when you request a remote electronic evaluation of your system. I am tired of getting bad reports so decided to upgrade, even though I have a couple years before it is required. I usually sit by the window anyway but I do not hold it up to the window. It does however take several minutes to acquire enough satellites to work. I haven't had enough opportunity to see how well the heater works. The fan sounds loud when turned on so hopefully that is a good sign.
Well funny thing about 2020 compliant ADSB. I was looking at my paperwork for the plane. I chose the #2 option for avionics which is the Dynon panel. On the list of equipment in the Tecnam brochure with option #2 is the Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 Transponder. Which is the model that can be upgraded to 2020 compliance. However on my invoice it lists the 262 transponder which cannot be upgraded. Even funnier is the fact that the 262 is not even an optional piece of equipment in the options list. So I don't know if this was a typo or what. Not sure why I didn't notice this before. I will have to contact Tecnam and see what's going on. Hopefully a typo.
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Post by buzz on Aug 14, 2016 6:54:45 GMT
Buzz: Do you need to hold the 796 up to the window when flying commercial to get a GPS signal? Sitting in a tin can makes it tough. I have panel mounted vents and don't think they are any better than a vent located elsewhere. I DID install window vents however. Turn them to catch the wind and you have a hurricane inside the cockpit. I usually use them in suction mode, which makes the panel vents more effective. The biggest problem I have is heat vents. My plane heat comes from a cowling around the muffler, and it sucks. There is one vent on the firewall. I freeze my butt when the temps are near freezing, and since I like to fly high, it is often below freeing in the spring and fall. I would not attempt to go north in the winter at any altitude. Those of you who have radiator heat are SO lucky. Tim also tells me his P2008 heater is great. Don't know if it is a radiator. I really like the Dynon also. Seems like the screen is easier to read than the Garmin, but that may just be familiarity. Like you, I also have all the buttons. Yea, touch screens in bad weather are useless. Dynon tech support is great. They are always available to talk one-on-one. I call them so much all the guys know me. I should use the manual more, but it is so easy to just call them and get it over with. I installed a new 2020 compliant GPS antenna this week and called them to see if I needed stainless steel mounting bolts because of potential magnetic interference. They said no. I was worried that any ferris metal might effect performance. Do you have the new SV-GPS-2020 antenna? The old one works fine but is not 2020 compliant. Also, with the old one you get a bad report from FAA when you request a remote electronic evaluation of your system. I am tired of getting bad reports so decided to upgrade, even though I have a couple years before it is required. I usually sit by the window anyway but I do not hold it up to the window. It does however take several minutes to acquire enough satellites to work. I haven't had enough opportunity to see how well the heater works. The fan sounds loud when turned on so hopefully that is a good sign.
Well funny thing about 2020 compliant ADSB. I was looking at my paperwork for the plane. I chose the #2 option for avionics which is the Dynon panel. On the list of equipment in the Tecnam brochure with option #2 is the Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 Transponder. Which is the model that can be upgraded to 2020 compliance. However on my invoice it lists the 262 transponder which cannot be upgraded. Even funnier is the fact that the 262 is not even an optional piece of equipment in the options list. So I don't know if this was a typo or what. Not sure why I didn't notice this before. I will have to contact Tecnam and see what's going on. Hopefully a typo.
Ok my bad I finally figured out that I have the right Transponder. The Invoice has a typo. The equipment list shows it as a TT22 which is the Trig Avionics Transponder which is the same as the Dynon 261 which can be upgraded to 2020 compliant. I guess Dynon puts their name on the Trig TT22. Also the more telling piece of info is that the 3rd party tech that checked and certified the transponder listed it as a Trig TT22. So Geo to finally answer your question I have not upgraded the antenna yet.
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Post by geobuff on Aug 14, 2016 16:26:00 GMT
Buzz: Glan you have that figured out. You are in good shape. You have the 2020 transponder and a GPS Position Source antenna called "SV-GPS-250", which works great. It is just that the GPS Position Source is not 2020 compliant. Sometime in the next 3 years you will have to upgrade to the "SV-GPS-2020", which cost $590. They say is is not quite as sensitive as the SV-GPS-250 and recommend installing it on the outside of the aircraft, rather than under the dash. I did that, and is works flawlessly. It was actually easier to install on the outside of the nose (in front of the windshield) than to replace the existing one under the dash because the original was installed before they installed the windshield, which makes it very difficult to remove. Fill in the FAA online ADSB 2020 compliant check. They will send you a 'report' documenting you current setup which tells you if you are 2020 compliant and where it is currently deficient. Basically you will see a lot of "red" in the report which indicated non-compliance. This is a totally automated service from the FAA. You just tell them what day you want to evaluate our aircraft (obviously a day in which you were flying) and about 5 minutes later the report appears in your mailbox. Kind of spooky. It makes you realize that your government is monitoring you. They know everything about every flight you take. Exactly where you went, the speed, altitude, your equipment on board, etc. There are not secrets with the new NextGen, and we can hide nothing. Below is the link to the free check. You are not revealing anything to the government by requesting it. They already know everything. Also the report you receive is generated totally automatically. That is why you get it back in minutes. I love this service. I have made this request several times just to check if everything is working correctly. Don't be discouraged by the "red" blocks which indicate non-2020 compliance. At first I made the mistake of thinking something was wrong with my ADSB and paid a avionics expert to find out what is wrong. There was nothing wrong. Just non-compliant 2020 GPS antenna. After putting on my new 2020 compliant antenna, all the "red" went away. The link is from our club aviation website. www.thevillagesaviation.com/details-bulletin/ADSB_Mandate.htmlThe report contains a lot of acronyms which are confusing. They are explained in a companion report, but I have summarized some of them below: NIC = Navigation Integrity Category NACp = Navigation Accuracy Category for Position NACv = Navigation Accuracy Category for Velocity SIL = Source Integrity Level SDA = System Design Assurance
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Post by buzz on Aug 14, 2016 17:21:36 GMT
Very cool thanks for the info very helpful. Will probably wait for a bit until I address a couple other issues like the wheels and brakes and possibly swapping the locations on my panel between comm and auto pilot. My comm is in a not convenient spot. Because the comm is vertical configuration and auto pilot is horizontal I will have to get new ones. However since I have a current static noise issue with the comm (ATC complaints of noisy radio) I may get a replacement on warranty at which time I would request the horizontal configuration.
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Post by buzz on Aug 14, 2016 17:37:39 GMT
Here is a poor quality pic of my Panel. I guess the sun was on the lens. These are Dynon Skyview TouchScreens. The small meter in the center of the picture is my CO2 detector. Right next to it is a RAM mount for my IPad, which I only use on Cross Countries. I have my O2 bottle behind the seat. Oh I just realized that you posted a pic of your panel. Just saw it after I replied to your below message. Nice panel. Think that is the first Dynon application that I have seen in an Astore. I see you have the Dynon comm. Have you had any issues? I have a static type noise issue with mine in the lower freqs 118 119 etc. On my trip home multiple ATC on different days complained of the noise. Also a rhythmic type beep which we think may be the strobes. One guess is that it is a ground issue. Dynon had issues with the early version and have since modified. I talked to them and they think mine is a newer version. My A@P has not been able to duplicate the problem so will probably have to complete trip home as is and see what happens. Fortunately I live 1 hour from Dynon so I can visit them if need be.
Did you see my previous post regarding CO detectors?
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Post by geobuff on Aug 14, 2016 20:28:59 GMT
Buzz
Yes, last year Dynon had serious problems with their Comm. Mine was replaces 3 times. It was an issue on the circuit boards coming from China, which they eventually got fixed. It took Dynon months to find the problem. I would get constant complaints from Towers that they could barely understand me. In tower terms, they were reporting my transmission was a 2 of 5 at best. Often they could not even understand me at all. Sometimes I had to call the tower on my ICOM handheld. My latest radio is perfect and all are happy. Sometimes (but not always) I get a rhythmic type beep with navigation lights. Since we are not suppose to be flying at night, seldom a real problem there. No problem with strobes.
Just ask Dynon to swap radios, because you have to determine if the problem is in the radio or somewhere else.
The past few months everything (plane and avionics) is working perfectly for me. It just took a year and a half to get to this point.
Living an hour from Dynon is a real benefit. I like living an hour from Sebring. Many trips down there in the past 2 years.
I missed your posts on CO detectors. Will see if I can find it.
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CharlieT
New Member
2016 Astore
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Home Airport: KCFE
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Post by CharlieT on Aug 15, 2016 14:37:26 GMT
Hey Roger Great link from your clubs website on ADS-B. I take it that was your airplane before the new antenna? We should probably have a post just for ADS-B, as I am sure it will be coming up more and more. Charlie
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Post by geobuff on Aug 15, 2016 21:44:15 GMT
Ha! yea, the first example was mine. Lots of 'red' initially. Now I am clean and 2020 compliant. The second example on Avionics Check is from Burt Rutan's airplane which was in worse shape than mine.
The website is our club website which is about 150+ folks strong. A cumulative of a zillion hours in our club (many, many old military and airline pilots), but only a small percentage fly anymore, as the average is 70+ years old. (I live in a retirement community) Lots of medical issues. The new rules will probably get some of them back in the air, but for most, they are content as they are. We probably only have about 25 active pilots. Mostly the old pilots like to sit around and swap stories, and many great stories they have to tell. Every month we get one of them to share about their flying career. One of our members was the chief pilot (marines) for Carter/Reagan/Bush/Clinton. One was the CEO of the pacific fleet. One commander of the Pensacola naval air station squadrons, and the list goes on. I never cease to be amazed at who is in the club and the stories they tell. They are all such nice people. I guess old age and mortality mellows folks and they enjoy sharing.
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Post by mackattack on Aug 21, 2016 12:44:02 GMT
Honestly, I'm not sure... with OATs here in the 100-degree range, I have not tried the cabin heat yet! Let me know what to look for. Mine was built in late 2014 so I suspect it's the same as yours ... MacAttack: Here is a picture of my heater cowling input sucking air from behind the radiator. Just not enough air pressure down there to force the hot air into the cabin. This is what you see if you lie on your back and look up the front wheel opening. Geobuff, attached is a pic that I took yesterday from underneath 837TA; looks a little different from yours so I can't quite tell if it's the same thing ... although I suspect that it probably is the intake and located in the same place ... thoughts?
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Post by geobuff on Aug 21, 2016 14:25:31 GMT
It looks like the input to the muffler cowling is up against the radiator, like mine. Not enough wind pressure to move large quantities if air into the cockpit. I am thinking about some sort of wind-scoop to redirect air to the exact spot on the front of the radiator where the cowling scoop exists on the back side of the radiator. If I could get twice the air pressure, that may be enough to provide adequate heat to the cabin. May be a winter project.
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Post by mackattack on Aug 21, 2016 16:31:57 GMT
Thanks! Let's stay in touch on that!
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