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Post by cole505 on Dec 31, 2016 5:35:47 GMT
Check out trade a plane there is a p2008 ..... the guy had an engine out, hit a drainage ditch some sad pictures ..... wonder what the salvage price will be?
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Post by Glenn on Dec 31, 2016 11:50:54 GMT
I'm more interested in what caused his engine to loose power and why he couldn't get it restarted.
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Post by Cluemeister on Dec 31, 2016 13:22:26 GMT
P2008 accident
Didn't see it on trade a plane, but a search on Kathryns report turns up this accident in April 2016. From the article: "According to the pilot, he was in cruise flight enroute to SUT, when the electronic flight display system "went out." Approximately ten minutes later, the engine sputtered, and incurred a total loss of power. The pilot then switched fuel tanks and attempted to restart the engine, without result. The pilot then made a forced landing to a farmer's field." I remember Stroud's reminder in an earlier forum posting that if you lose electrical power in a P2008, your fuel pumps are both dependent on battery. They are not engine driven. So when the battery dies, your pumps no longer operate. In this case above, approximately 10 minutes.
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Post by stroudj on Dec 31, 2016 16:33:04 GMT
Electrical failure on the 914 is my biggest fear. I can fly just fine without the glass panel but without a functional fuel pump you'll only going to go down. To me, the weakest system on the 914 is the electrical system. During flight training in Sebring this summer I had a electrical failure during a solo flight, I was 30 miles out when the voltage regulator failed. I went directly back to Sebring and landed with power to spare. Lockwood changed out the voltage regulator. Voltage Regulator failing is common on the 914 and the 912.
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Post by MarkGregor on Dec 31, 2016 18:23:10 GMT
If you read the info released so far you will see the NTSB tested the engine and electrical system post accident and no anomilies were found.
I think it wise to wait for the full NTSB report before drawing any conclusions.
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Post by Cluemeister on Jan 1, 2017 0:27:03 GMT
Bids will be accepted until January 20, 2017. I'm not sure what parts you could salvage. It was a 914 turbo. Salvage Bid Form |
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Post by Flocker on Jan 1, 2017 13:17:06 GMT
Bids will be accepted until January 20, 2017. I'm not sure what parts you could salvage. It was a 914 turbo. Salvage Bid Form All of the avionics look salvageable. I wonder if the guy who bought 78AV would be interested in upgrading his panel... |
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Post by Ed Midgley on Jan 1, 2017 15:15:47 GMT
I installed a second battery in my plane dedicated solely to the back up fuel pump. It's connected to the charging system thru a diode so it can't be drawn down by the main battery. I had to move my plane to Experimental to make it legal though. Ed |
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Post by Glenn on Jan 1, 2017 19:21:23 GMT
I agree a second battery would sure be nice. Did Tecnam not want to give you a LOA?
On my P2008 with 912ULS, I have one electric fuel pump and one mechanical pump driven by the gear box.
One depends on the battery and the other depends on gear box rotation. The battery is the weak part of the system.
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Post by Ed Midgley on Jan 2, 2017 0:00:11 GMT
I also installed retractable seat belts and a coolant thermostat which Tecnam would not give me an LOA or even sell me the thermostat.
i really didn't have any choice other than experimental.
Fantastic planes but, a difficult company to deal with.
Its not just Tecnam. I drive a Mercedes and have the same type of problems. The European business model seems to be that the customer is the enemy.
In spite of this I love my plane.
Ed
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Post by geobuff on Jan 2, 2017 2:13:32 GMT
I installed a second battery in my plane dedicated solely to the back up fuel pump. It's connected to the charging system thru a diode so it can't be drawn down by the main battery. I had to move my plane to Experimental to make it legal though. Ed I have the ASTORE 912is with DYNON. I have 2 Li 'backup' batteries for the electronics which last 1 hour should my main battery go dead. Never thought about the fuel pumps. I wonder if those backup batteries also run the fuel pump?  ? Not much point in them if they do not, as if the main battery goes dead you are coming down, and the 60 minute panel backup will not do you any good. Does anyone know if those backup batteries run the fuel pump also? Don't know if GARMIN includes Li 'backup' batteries in their system, but they are automatically part of any DYNON system. |
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Post by Cluemeister on Jan 2, 2017 2:44:07 GMT
I have backup batteries for the Garmin on my P2008. Now do they run the fuel pump? I have no idea.
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Post by stroudj on Jan 2, 2017 4:27:49 GMT
The backup battery for the Garmin does not operate the fuel pumps. On the 912is you have 2 independent charging systems to power the engine and systems, I would not be concerned about loosing both charging system.
The best solution for the 914 users would be to head for the nearest airport at the first sign of trouble. In most of the U.S. you can be at an airport in 20 minutes.
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Post by buzz on Jan 2, 2017 7:04:52 GMT
I also installed retractable seat belts and a coolant thermostat which Tecnam would not give me an LOA or even sell me the thermostat. i really didn't have any choice other than experimental. Fantastic planes but, a difficult company to deal with. Its not just Tecnam. I drive a Mercedes and have the same type of problems. The European business model seems to be that the customer is the enemy. In spite of this I love my plane. Ed Would like to hear more about the seat belts. |
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Post by Cluemeister on Jan 2, 2017 12:54:50 GMT
I would love to hear more about them as well. The current seat belts remind me of the 1970's.  |
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? Not much point in them if they do not, as if the main battery goes dead you are coming down, and the 60 minute panel backup will not do you any good.
