Post by rainstorm on Apr 24, 2017 20:35:47 GMT
This is from the P2008 thread best I could copy it. For all the same reasons I suggest the P2010 be known as the P2010/CarbonAir.
This positions it both as a replacement for the 182 and 206 buyer, 3 doors and 4 seats full like the StationAir. For the P2008 suggest P2008/CarbonCardinal. This would help us all including Tecnam.
Piper didn't like it when CarbonCub got the name, irrelevant, not in production and enough different. Same story with ours and leaving out the Station on the Air for the P2010 could only be a plus. This also aligns with the application of Carbon Fiber in our aircraft by the worlds largest supplier of GA Aircraft. Thoughts? Here's the other post.
Aug 1, 2016 at 9:49pm buzz said:
When I was in Sebring in December to accept my 2008 Giovanni was there. I told him there were only two things I would change on the 2008. 1. I wanted a trim switch like the Astore. and 2.It needed a cool name like the Astore. Unfortunately he did not bite.
On my trip home from Sebring we were routinely mistaken for a Cessna 208 Caravan. The ICAO code for the P 2008 is P208.
P2008/CarbonCardinal
We are based in Class B and in the LAX veil. We too are always referred to as Caravan N_____. In addition, flying final at 55-60 knots is really ill advised hence my thanking the post of the Tecnam flaps at any speed within the green arc, priceless post. 60 knots on final, no bueno here.
My two cents, the Cessna 150 was the Commuter or Aerobat and the 172 is the Skyhawk, the 162 Skycatcher. It is no doubt the case that Cessna learned the value of a brand name, and you can read some interesting business studies on this. The P2008 has the potential to be the aircraft that gives the 172 a serious run for it's money if there are just two modifications that could easily be implemented with a little lobbying, see my post in "the news". Even without those this airplane gives the 172 a solid run for the money and I owned a 1977 172N 180HP since new. The P2010 also needs a name since it should squarely nail the C182 with the third door, for me that's worth moving to the T206H Stationair from the T182T (hmm least seller no name) even though I don't need the seats. (BasicMed has me looking at bigger again).
Back to your point, being referred to as a Caravan with attendant expectations means you fly final at cruise and get good at slowing it down, on short final, took a little practice but pretty simple now and even easier with the letter from the other post. Also, from a market standpoint it needs a name and public vote could end up with something like the British shipped named by public vote: Boaty McBoatFace. Not likely an of us U.S. owners are in for a weird name but the idea might be right. Find a name the majority can live with and adopt it (informally of course). Either Tecnam will weigh in or perhaps we seek an update in the ICAO designation in which case they'd have to weigh in.
Customers normally always win in grass roots things like this if they're respectable and supportive so we could likely initiate results quicker in some group consensus manner than anything else. I've spent a lifetime in this business and flying this slowly being called a Caravan has given me plenty of time to contemplate it, no derogatory subtext intended.
Therefore, taking a page from the Carbon Cub and the performance niche of our planes I put for the Carbon Cardinal. We have a solid case for not being called Caravan's right now and calling us the Carbon Cardinal sets controller performance expectations correctly. This should make a splash as well before Oshkosh about who Tecnam is, I've got the only one at my airport and no one has a clue. This could really help sell the plane too since it is a decent representation as to where it fits, especially if we get single lever CS props (see my other post)
Any thoughts.
The P2008/CarbonCardinal
This positions it both as a replacement for the 182 and 206 buyer, 3 doors and 4 seats full like the StationAir. For the P2008 suggest P2008/CarbonCardinal. This would help us all including Tecnam.
Piper didn't like it when CarbonCub got the name, irrelevant, not in production and enough different. Same story with ours and leaving out the Station on the Air for the P2010 could only be a plus. This also aligns with the application of Carbon Fiber in our aircraft by the worlds largest supplier of GA Aircraft. Thoughts? Here's the other post.
Aug 1, 2016 at 9:49pm buzz said:
When I was in Sebring in December to accept my 2008 Giovanni was there. I told him there were only two things I would change on the 2008. 1. I wanted a trim switch like the Astore. and 2.It needed a cool name like the Astore. Unfortunately he did not bite.
On my trip home from Sebring we were routinely mistaken for a Cessna 208 Caravan. The ICAO code for the P 2008 is P208.
P2008/CarbonCardinal
We are based in Class B and in the LAX veil. We too are always referred to as Caravan N_____. In addition, flying final at 55-60 knots is really ill advised hence my thanking the post of the Tecnam flaps at any speed within the green arc, priceless post. 60 knots on final, no bueno here.
My two cents, the Cessna 150 was the Commuter or Aerobat and the 172 is the Skyhawk, the 162 Skycatcher. It is no doubt the case that Cessna learned the value of a brand name, and you can read some interesting business studies on this. The P2008 has the potential to be the aircraft that gives the 172 a serious run for it's money if there are just two modifications that could easily be implemented with a little lobbying, see my post in "the news". Even without those this airplane gives the 172 a solid run for the money and I owned a 1977 172N 180HP since new. The P2010 also needs a name since it should squarely nail the C182 with the third door, for me that's worth moving to the T206H Stationair from the T182T (hmm least seller no name) even though I don't need the seats. (BasicMed has me looking at bigger again).
Back to your point, being referred to as a Caravan with attendant expectations means you fly final at cruise and get good at slowing it down, on short final, took a little practice but pretty simple now and even easier with the letter from the other post. Also, from a market standpoint it needs a name and public vote could end up with something like the British shipped named by public vote: Boaty McBoatFace. Not likely an of us U.S. owners are in for a weird name but the idea might be right. Find a name the majority can live with and adopt it (informally of course). Either Tecnam will weigh in or perhaps we seek an update in the ICAO designation in which case they'd have to weigh in.
Customers normally always win in grass roots things like this if they're respectable and supportive so we could likely initiate results quicker in some group consensus manner than anything else. I've spent a lifetime in this business and flying this slowly being called a Caravan has given me plenty of time to contemplate it, no derogatory subtext intended.
Therefore, taking a page from the Carbon Cub and the performance niche of our planes I put for the Carbon Cardinal. We have a solid case for not being called Caravan's right now and calling us the Carbon Cardinal sets controller performance expectations correctly. This should make a splash as well before Oshkosh about who Tecnam is, I've got the only one at my airport and no one has a clue. This could really help sell the plane too since it is a decent representation as to where it fits, especially if we get single lever CS props (see my other post)
Any thoughts.
The P2008/CarbonCardinal
