Does the P2008 have another name?

[Cluemeister]

We have the Astore, the P92 Eaglet, the P92 Echo, the P2002 Sierra, but the P2008 just seems to be the P2008.

Does it have an extra name like some of the other Tecnam aircraft?

[geobuff]

I always assumed P2008 is the name. Strange name if it is.

[mackattack]

Well all Tecnam planes have a P-number except the Astore. The P2008 and P2010 don't have names as far as I can tell the P2012 is the Traveller ...

[buzz]

When I was in Sebring in December to accept my 2008 Giovanni was there. I told him there were only two things I would change on the 2008. 1. I wanted a trim switch like the Astore. and 2.It needed a cool name like the Astore. Unfortunately he did not bite.

On my trip home from Sebring we were routinely mistaken for a Cessna 208 Caravan. The ICAO code for the P 2008 is P208.

[rainstorm]

Aug 2, 2016 4:49:16 GMT buzz said:

When I was in Sebring in December to accept my 2008 Giovanni was there. I told him there were only two things I would change on the 2008. 1. I wanted a trim switch like the Astore. and 2.It needed a cool name like the Astore. Unfortunately he did not bite.

On my trip home from Sebring we were routinely mistaken for a Cessna 208 Caravan. The ICAO code for the P 2008 is P208.

Carbon Cardinal

We are based in Class B and in the LAX veil.  We too are always referred to as Caravan N_____.  In addition, flying final at 55-60 knots is really ill advised hence my thanking the post of the Tecnam flaps at any speed within the green arc, priceless post.  60 knots on final, no bueno here.

My two cents, the Cessna 150 was the Commuter or Aerobat and the 172 is the Skyhawk, the 162 Skycatcher.  It is no doubt the case that Cessna learned the value of a brand name, and you can read some interesting business studies on this. The P2008 has the potential to be the aircraft that gives the 172 a serious run for it's money if there are just two modifications that could easily be implemented with a little lobbying, see my post in "the news".  Even without those this airplane gives the 172 a solid run for the money and I owned a 1977 172N 180HP since new. The P2010 also needs a name since it should squarely nail the C182 with the third door, for me that's worth moving to the T206H Stationair from the T182T (hmm least seller no name) even though I don't need the seats. (BasicMed has me looking at bigger again).

Back to your point, being referred to as a Caravan with attendant expectations means you fly final at cruise and get good at slowing it down, on short final, took a little practice but pretty simple now and even easier with the letter from the other post.  Also, from a market standpoint it needs a name and public vote could end up with something like the British shipped named by public vote: Boaty McBoatFace.  Not likely an of us U.S. owners are in for a weird name but the idea might be right.  Find a name the majority can live with and adopt it (informally of course).  Either Tecnam will weigh in or perhaps we seek an update in the ICAO designation in which case they'd have to weigh in.  

Customers normally always win in grass roots things like this if they're respectable and supportive so we could likely initiate results quicker in some group consensus manner than anything else. I've spent a lifetime in this business and flying this slowly being called a Caravan has given me plenty of time to contemplate it, no derogatory subtext intended. 

Therefore, taking a page from the Carbon Cub and the performance niche of our planes I put for the Carbon Cardinal. We have a solid case for not being called Caravan's right now and calling us the Carbon Cardinal sets controller performance expectations correctly.  This should make a splash as well before Oshkosh about who Tecnam is, I've got the only one at my airport and no one has a clue.  This could really help sell the plane too since it is a decent representation as to where it fits, especially if we get single lever CS props (see my other post)

Any thoughts.

The Carbon Cardinal

[rainstorm]

Meant to suggest perhaps the:

P2008/CarbonCardinal

to be specific.

[Glenn]

If Cardinal became part or all of the name for the P2008, some controllers would probably assume "Cessna Cardinal."  
Might not be any better than being confused for a Cessna 208 now.

Glenn

[buzz]

While my previous post shows my wish for a name to be attached to the P2008 I would not support Carbon Cardinal. I think a name should reflect its Italian heritage and be unique enough not to be confused with other planes. It should be simple hopefully one word. Or at least a name that is still unique to the plane if it is two words and it gets abbreviated on the radio.

example Astore = Goshawk
Corvino = Raven/Blackbird

My two cents














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[Glenn]

Our opinions might not be valued by Tecnam, however... 


Just for fun we could come up with a few Italian names and then try to get P2008 owner to pick their favorite.  Just an idea.

Glenn

[Ed Midgley]

I agree we need a sexy Italian name. The plane deserves more than a number.
Ed

[rainstorm]

On the ATC side, for sure it would be better here, most of them are FEDEX flying arrivals we don't. Besides, from what the plane is most equivalent to in performance when scaled in size is the Cardinal. My sense was that part of the desire for a secondary name was confusion with the Caravan. Perhaps a CarbonHawk would be more evocative and serve the same result.

However, as a fellow owner, rather than naming it after an evocative Italian themed bird, I’d prefer something descriptive in a way likely to help market value as well. After all the Sierra and Echo were likely US influenced and having a name that pops with the LSA community here is in our self interests. The more Tecnnam planes, the more ours are worth, and the easier they are to support. Not to put to strong a point on it, for me personally a nice evocative name would be nice but not help in any tangible way with ATC or resale. On the ATC side, now that I read the post on the confusion in type airplane being this common it could well come to be that the ICAO types give use a second name association with P208 aside from P2008. Cant help but think we’d do better ourselves but as time goes on and more P2008 and P2010 aircraft are sold, the more the confusion, maybe they will decide to just call us a minivan...

Something like the Carbon Cardinal, maybe the Cardinal Hawk would work just as well but the Cardinal was always seen as a step up from the 172 anyway, It certainly sets an expectation for people, oh a new carbon fiber high wing. Wouldn't surprise me if CT hires a marketing department if they grab something similar or exact to these names, the battle for US market share is on. I proposed P2010/CarbonAir on the other P2010 forum since with basic med I am contemplating moving up. Both of these planes were made possible by the acquisition of Composite Aircraft group in Spain by Tecnam. They were purchased specifically to provide the benefits of Carbon fiber to GA planes and only these two planes are built in the same plant which was purchased for Caron Fiber expertise.  Our planes are more Spanish than Italian in DNA.  My sense is Tecnam should have that Carbon Fiber baked into the name (pun intended) to get credit for this bold and risky investment that gave use these sexy planes.

These are really great planes, made by a real not startup company, seems a shame only the Tecnam Carbon Fiber line lacks names whatever they may be. I've used these two names in examples: “kind of like a carbon Cardinal but with two seats, a high wing with a comfortable car like interior or kind of like a Stationair except with 4 seats and a smaller 3rd door" extensively when talking with people who don't know who Tecnam is to describe the positioning of the planes and it works very well for that. Seems it would help with confusion with ATC and marketing here in the US where Tecnam badly needs continuous news infusion to overcome the strong brand recognition of the competition.

Besides, the prospect of leaving it to the authorities to deconflict the confusion is risky.  I’d hate to say I fly a Tecnam minvan. Worse, SoCal this is minivan N AARGH.

[Ed Midgley]

Bella means beautiful in Italian. 
Some Italian female names are Aria, Carina and Siena.
I'm just throwing some names out to kick around.
Ed

[rainstorm]

If it's not important to clarify to ATC and to position our planes expectations, then I would agree with Corvino.

If however we want to maximize our expectation setting and add clarification and perhaps help get Tecnam exited about it maybe CarbonHawk or Corvino. If I were to guess to do the paperwork to have it changed with Tecnam's help is CarbonHawk and CarbonAir, otherwise one of us has to do it with a majority of owners petitioning the ICAO and manufacturer if I was correctly informed. I paid nothing for this advice so take it with a grain of salt but it runs right. Plus Tecnam should want this, it can't be an accident that our numbers came out as P2008 allowing Tecnam to get what sounded like the next series number since Cessna preceding us is the P207/Stationair. Thats pretty much in their face as is the product line which I like in industry, competition. This is pure conjecture on my part but Cabonhawk would be right in line with this market situation. Probably resulted some from serendipity "design year" and an aha, but now that the P2008 has the P208 slot they can grab more attention and market clarification which would be great stuff by amending it by request of the manufacturer to the ICAO to amend to P208/Carbonhawk or P208/Corvino for safety due to on-going confusion.

[rainstorm]

BTW, just late, aware that the C208 is caravan hence the p208 confusion. BTW I think the Corvino sounds great, it just means we'd have to clarify again what we were and tell them LSA unlike carbon hawk which is pretty self explanatory. Either way, anyone think we'd get any Tecnam help? Otherwise whatever we all think and someone is willing to spearhead if they are not going to assist.

[Glenn]

I'm not so sure giving the P2008 an Italian woman's name would be a good marketing decision.  It might sound nice to non-Italian speakers but I wonder what Italians or Europeans would think.   Consider the same here in the U.S. if we called an attractive plane by a woman's name.   Take a plane like the Cessna Corvalis. Imagine we called it "the Cessna Beverly" or "the Cirrus Susan" or something else.  Not very sexy.  

From a marketing standpoint, what image does that bring to your mind?  

So I fired up google translate and here's a few that sounded ok to my wife.  I think it helps to say each out loud.  Give it a try.

Tecnam Falco       (hawk)
Tecnam Aquila     (eagle)            
Tecnam Corvo      (raven)
Tecnam Nube      (cloud)
Tecnam Cielo      (sky)
Tecnam Sole       (sun)
Tecnam Pium     (feather)
Tecnam Stella    (star)



Glenn