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Post by jameswiltz on Nov 21, 2016 23:07:52 GMT
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Post by MarkGregor on Feb 7, 2017 15:20:45 GMT
This airplane sold quickly and went to California!
Mark
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Post by Flocker on Feb 7, 2017 19:57:59 GMT
This airplane sold quickly and went to California! Mark Can you reach out to the new owner and send them an invite to join us on TT? |
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Post by MarkGregor on Feb 7, 2017 23:45:13 GMT
I have.
Will remind him again next time we speak.
I believe he has read many of the posts.
Mark
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2017 6:07:22 GMT
Greetings from central California. I'm the buyer of the 2016 P2008-914-Turbo. Nice to be on board. I have read several of your posts. Many great ideas.
I've owned two F33A Bonanzas over the years. I sold the last one 3 years ago. My operating costs were a few hundred dollars per hour. Thought I was done with flying . . . . But then 4.5 GPH @ 120kt cruise sucked me back in. I took delivery near Lafayette, Louisiana. 21 hours of flight time over two and 1/2 days put me back in central California. I didn't see anything less than a 20 knot head wind the whole trip. At one point on the back side of the San Bernadino Mountains I had a pair of 45's. By that I mean the G3X indicated a 45 knot wind off the nose and a matching 45 knot wind off the left side. That's about a 60 knot quartering left headwind. I had a fair amount of pucker factor going on. ForeFlight promised mild winds in Lancaster, otherwise I wouldn't have kept going. As the winds increased, I did the same for my seatbelt tension. I'm convinced the P2008 was more comfortable in the bumps than my Bonanza would have been. The jury is still out on that one though. The wind was pretty steady. Amazing though that a plane nearly 1/3 the weight of a Bonanza handled that scenario that well. I think I'm a high wing convert.
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Post by timb on Feb 9, 2017 13:13:37 GMT
Welcome to the forum John!! I hope you'll enjoy your new plane as much as we enjoy ours. My wife and I are planning a trip from Florida to Northern California this summer and I sure hope for lighter winds in July.
Tim
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Post by Glenn on Feb 9, 2017 16:38:45 GMT
Greetings from central California. I'm the buyer of the 2016 P2008-914-Turbo. I've owned two F33A Bonanzas over the years. I sold the last one 3 years ago. My operating costs were a few hundred dollars per hour. .. I'm convinced the P2008 was more comfortable in the bumps than my Bonanza would have been... Hi John, Congratulations on your Turbo P2008. Isn't TecnamTalk is a great resource? Lots of good info and more to come. I took delivery of my P2008 last May. Great plane, lots of fun, and yes I agree it's quite a cheaper to operate than my Bonanza F33A but I don't think it rides through the bumps any better. It is about a third of the weight so the laws of physics must prevail <grin>. However I did have to change the autopilot pitch gain to be more aggressive in holding level altitude. In rough air, as it made corrections, it would overshoot and then try to correct back and get into an continuous oscillation. It holds altitude through rough air better now. I love the dual G3X touch screens. The only things I could wish for is more knots and freon air like my F33A has. The third class medical reform is a welcome change...now if they'd lift the speed limit for light sports I'd really be happy.  Cheers, Glenn |
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Post by buzz on Feb 9, 2017 17:23:56 GMT
Hi John welcome. It's good to have another left coast owner. Where are you in Cali?
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Post by John on Feb 10, 2017 15:41:04 GMT
Hello Glenn.
I responded to your post yesterday but I don't see that response. Maybe I should hit the reply button this time. Agreed that the Bonanza has the whole mass and inertia thing in its favor. I will say, however, that the P2008 handled crazy winds better than I expected.
I had the exact same experience with the autopilot not holding altitude. I experienced a gradual porpoising of plus and minus 80 to 90 feet. I talked to Garmin tech support. They basically told me to go fly and play with the gain settings within the autopilot. Would you mind telling me what all your autopilot settings solved your problem? That would sure save me a lot of trial and error. If it's happening to you and me, that will no doubt be a valuable post for others.
Thanks for whatever you can provide.
Greetings Buzz,
I see you're just south of Seattle. My wife was born and raised in Yakima. She and I lived in Seattle for a few years a long time ago I bounce back and forth between Concord, CA and a private field near Sonora, CA.
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Post by Glenn on Feb 10, 2017 19:43:22 GMT
John, I had the same experience calling and emailing Garmin then I verified that all the settings were what Sebring always uses just to be sure before I messed with it. I only changed one setting for pitch servo from 1.2 to 1.5. A little at a time. I don't want it to be too aggressive but it's better now. Glenn ![]()    |
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2017 0:39:31 GMT
Glenn,
Great news. Thanks much. I will input the values and let you know the affect, that is when this California rain lets up.
Not sure if you use ForeFlight on an iPad. One of the nice things about the G3X is that I can do my flight plan at home on ForeFlight the night before a trip and then upload it via Blue Tooth to the G3X. At least that's what Garmin advertises. In my case, it wasn't working. The G3X gave me a message saying that the upload feature is not compatible with Apple. Garmin Tech Support stepped up. They are sending me a fix with instructions. Apparently there is a coupler that plugs into the back of the PFD that matches the Apple iPad to the G3X.
The Garmin GDL39 also links via Blue Tooth to the iPad and populates ForeFlight with traffic and weather. God bless America. Love the technology.
Thanks again Glenn.
John
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Post by cole505 on Feb 11, 2017 6:12:52 GMT
Hey Glen,
Welcome aboard ! U.S. Air Force Ret. 20 yrs Desert Storm....... pleasure to hear your like the the new 2008! Please keep us informed on your progress....
Ray & Lucy 😊🐾✈😎👍🏻🇺🇸
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Post by MarkGregor on Feb 11, 2017 18:15:01 GMT
The weight definitely plays a part in stability but design of the aircraft and wing also has a large affect.
I have flown most of the LSAs and there is a big difference in stability even thought they are the same weight.
Mark
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Post by jetcat3 on Feb 12, 2017 5:01:44 GMT
John,
Congrats on your purchase of your new P2008! Beautiful bird. Yes, ForeFlight and Garmin Pilot work beautifully with the G3X via Bluetooth and also with the GDL 39. My Dad and I used this for 7 hours today with amazing results. The GDL 39 will even use the ground stations to give you accurate METAR's, AIRMETS, etc. It's amazing technology! If you have an iPad Pro, you can copy down clearances and weather information with the Apple Pencil. You said it! So grateful for all of this amazing technology to play with on these airplanes. Also, thank the experimental side of Aviation!
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2017 23:51:01 GMT
Glenn,
My pitch servo gain was 1.30 I changed it to 1.50
I had nothing in the Min Airspeed Limit and Max Airspeed Limit. I put 45kts and 135kts like yours.
I flew a short cross country and it held altitude. No turbulence on a cool day. But so far so good. Thanks.
John
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