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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 4:57:45 GMT
Hi P2008 owners, I have a question about your experience with loading up the P2008. With the G3X package and BRS and 914 engine I am told by the Tecnam dealer that I’ll have just about 400 lbs of useful load.
That makes it possible to carry two 170lb adults for just about 1.5 hours with a VFR reserve of fuel.
Effectively this is a one adult, one child aircraft or are people being a bit generous with loading up?
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Post by ChiMike on Nov 18, 2021 14:42:48 GMT
Great question. The ‘useful load’ number is based on the U.S. FAA limits for the LSA category at 600kilos. A great place to look at how this aircraft was designed and marketed for max gross weight limitations is to look at the specifications for other counties outside the US.
Now, I’m fairly sure that no one would ever suggest operating your aircraft, in the US, outside of the FAA limits based upon category. However in the rest of the world they operate in the 650 to 700 kilos range, depending upon country, with just the 912 engine.
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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 16:03:42 GMT
That’s reassuring. Currently my kid is 120lbs and I am 180lbs so there is no issue. I’m hearing that the LSA limit may be raised in the next 2-3 years. If the FAA does that, Tecnam would have to re-certify the p2008. Would that usually apply retroactively to aircraft bought before the new rule?
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Post by cole505 on Nov 18, 2021 16:34:16 GMT
Hi PV9,
Just a thought 💭 this airplane is rated at 1650 pounds in Italy and is De-rated to conform to USA light sport rules…… especially with the 914 Turbo it is a well capable airplane ……so now you have something different to think about….. Also if your flying at low elevations that even enhances the capability of this beautiful airplane…….
Once they raise the weight limit I am sure that 1650 lbs will be a realistic number. Also this was a four seat airplane before it was De-rated to comply with light Sport rules…..
Ray & Lucy ✈️👍🏻🇺🇸😊✅
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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 16:51:26 GMT
Is the Italian rating of 1650 lbs documented?
Also, does Tecnam make any changes for the US market or is it the identical aircraft to the one sold in the countries with the higher MTOW rating?
Thank you so much. This is a very informative group.
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Post by ergo1 on Nov 18, 2021 17:41:52 GMT
Hi PV9, Just a thought 💭 this airplane is rated at 1650 pounds in Italy and is De-rated to conform to USA light sport rules…… especially with the 914 Turbo it is a well capable airplane ……so now you have something different to think about….. Also if your flying at low elevations that even enhances the capability of this beautiful airplane……. Once they raise the weight limit I am sure that 1650 lbs will be a realistic number. Also this was a four seat airplane before it was De-rated to comply with light Sport rules….. Ray & Lucy ✈️👍🏻🇺🇸😊✅ Hi Where did you find the P2008 1650lbs weight limit for Italy? I’ve searched the internet and cannot find this information. Inquiring minds want to know! Thank you Eric |
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Post by Glenn on Nov 18, 2021 18:28:19 GMT
Google the European P2008 POH. It shows 1388 pounds. I remember seeing a MTOW higher that 1388 however I can't seem to find it now.
A bit of searching gives me the impression that S-LSAs flying at weights higher than 600 kilos (1320 pounds) is not uncommon.
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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 19:22:38 GMT
I found 600kg in the European POH. Which works out to 1320 lbs.
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Post by buzz on Nov 18, 2021 19:27:47 GMT
I agree with Glenn. The P2008JC AFM indicates MTOW as 1388. All you have to do is search the internet to find it. However the current Tecnam website shows MTOW for the P2008JC as 1320lbs. This may not be accurate. There does seem to be one difference that I have noted in the US LSA version verses the European JC version. And it is something I have always wondered about. If you compare the main landing gear you will see the legs of the JC landing gear are curved. Where as the LSA version has straight legs. The only thing I could think of is that the JC legs are curved for higher loads due to a higher MTOW. And don't hold your breath on any official MTOW increases for current LSA's.
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Post by buzz on Nov 18, 2021 19:41:39 GMT
Also found online a P2008JC AFM dated 1/15/2018 that says MTOW of 1388lbs. Additionally found a Tecnam sales flyer from 2020 for the P2008JC MkII that says MTOW 1433lbs.
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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 20:11:18 GMT
Also found online a P2008JC AFM dated 1/15/2018 that says MTOW of 1388lbs. Additionally found a Tecnam sales flyer from 2020 for the P2008JC MkII that says MTOW 1433lbs. Isn't the JC MkII slightly different from the US P2008? |
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Post by buzz on Nov 18, 2021 22:00:51 GMT
Also found online a P2008JC AFM dated 1/15/2018 that says MTOW of 1388lbs. Additionally found a Tecnam sales flyer from 2020 for the P2008JC MkII that says MTOW 1433lbs. Isn't the JC MkII slightly different from the US P2008? As far as I know the difference is mostly cosmetic. Different panel, seats, interior, etc. I believe the underlying plane is the same. If someone knows different let me know. |
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Post by pv9 on Nov 18, 2021 23:22:12 GMT
Isn't the JC MkII slightly different from the US P2008? As far as I know the difference is mostly cosmetic. Different panel, seats, interior, etc. I believe the underlying plane is the same. If someone knows different let me know. The P2008JC (EASA certified) is rated at 650kg/1433lb. However, it requires that the aircraft be equipped with a specific prop. There may be more than just prop.  Attachments:
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Post by buzz on Nov 19, 2021 1:08:09 GMT
As far as I know the difference is mostly cosmetic. Different panel, seats, interior, etc. I believe the underlying plane is the same. If someone knows different let me know. The P2008JC (EASA certified) is rated at 650kg/1433lb. However, it requires that the aircraft be equipped with a specific prop. There may be more than just prop. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Yes in the EASA Type Certificate for the P2008 JC it talks about different props for 1433 lbs vs 1388 lbs. Seems that the JC can operate at either weight depending on what prop is installed. I honestly cant make heads or tails out of it. Not sure if this has to do with a weight/balance difference between a metal fixed pitch vs a composite ground adjustable prop. I really don't know |
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Post by pv9 on Nov 19, 2021 1:42:34 GMT
I see people posting cross country trips with two 190lb adults in the P2008 and wonder how they do it. Technically with 380lbs of people you barely have 50lbs of fuel which is a 9 gallon trip - 1 hour max.
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