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Post by buzz on Aug 20, 2020 19:45:51 GMT
Sorry about the hassle Buzz. I'm betting you go mechanic-shopping in the near future. My rubber is due next year and I'm considering flying to Lockwood to do it since Josh and team are right next door. Already made one phone call to a different shop. |
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Post by buzz on Aug 20, 2020 19:52:16 GMT
I just got off the phone with Lockwood. (My 5-year RR is also due next year) I asked if there was a kit and she said no. They are sending me the parts list for the 5-year rubber replacement. She did say there were a few model specific items we would need to get from Tecnam. I'll post my findings (& pricing) here. True story about Tecnam specific items. I thought I would find the correct coolant system hose in the California Power Systems catalog but it isn't in there. The light bulb finally clicked when I realized that the location of a radiator is specific to the aircraft manufacture. Therefore the hoses between the expansion chamber and radiator are specific to the manufacture and not a rotax product. I cannot emphasize enough the need to have all expected parts prior to taking anything apart. |
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Post by skipper on Aug 21, 2020 10:57:30 GMT
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Post by buzz on Aug 21, 2020 18:11:18 GMT
Another day more problems. I have been working behind my mechanic to try and get to the bottom of the kinked coolant hose. I have been in contact with Tecnam US and they have been in contact with Capua. Apparently nobody can figure out the correct part number or even what the piece of hose looks like. Warning to those of you who will be ordering your parts for upcoming rubber replacement. If your P2008 has an incabin heater supplied by the coolant the drawings in the Tecnam parts catalog are not correct for your plane. The catalog only shows this rubber hose leaving the expansion tank and going straight to the main radiator. If you have the incabin heater this hose is not one continuous hose. There is a metal Y tube that allows coolant to go to both the main radiator and the incabin heater. The part I am trying to figure out is the length from the expansion tank to the Y. Its about a foot long and makes a 90 degree bend to go from the top of the engine straight down to the Y. Make sure when you are ordering your parts that you don't end up with the one continuous hose if you have the heater which I would assume you do. I will update you once I get this figured out.
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Post by cole505 on Aug 21, 2020 20:18:24 GMT
Hi Buzz,
Sounds like your on top of this dilemma........ I know another frustrating problem no one seems to have the right answers. I think between you and your A&P you guys will come up with a solution........... Just as a suggestion I had Roger lee do my 5 yr rubber change out..... He is a master Rotax Mechanic he may have some suggestions for you ...520-574-1080 Or 520-349-7056. He’s a great guy to speak with if he does not know I am sure he knows someone that has the answers your looking for .......
Ray And Lucy ✈️✅😎😊👍🏻🇺🇸
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Post by buzz on Aug 21, 2020 21:17:38 GMT
Last e-mail from Tecnam US today said that they were unable to verify the correct part number until Monday because Capua is half staffed today and they have a new guy there handling parts. Sounds like a language barrier. And on top of that its now the weekend. However I am getting the feeling that the long hose I mentioned previously shown in the parts catalog that goes from expansion chamber to radiator is the correct hose. Guessing that you have to buy the long hose and cut to length. Unfortunately they do not keep it in stock. It would have to come from Capua and cost $237.00.
I also communicated with my mechanic. I found out the hose he used was purchased from California Power Systems part #6000-16. In the comments section for this product one customer said this " The hose does not bend well and kinks easily". I can attest to that.
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Post by buzz on Aug 21, 2020 21:52:47 GMT
Another Email from Tecnam said that they have 6000-16 stock. Not necessarily for this application however. But they did find that this product did not bend well and easily kinks. I will hear more on Monday. I also told them that there would be several more people (You guys) that will be doing the rubber change soon and that they should stock up the correct hose in anticipation.
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Post by buzz on Aug 22, 2020 1:35:58 GMT
Hi Buzz, Sounds like your on top of this dilemma........ I know another frustrating problem no one seems to have the right answers. I think between you and your A&P you guys will come up with a solution........... Just as a suggestion I had Roger lee do my 5 yr rubber change out..... He is a master Rotax Mechanic he may have some suggestions for you ...520-574-1080 Or 520-349-7056. He’s a great guy to speak with if he does not know I am sure he knows someone that has the answers your looking for ....... Ray And Lucy ✈️✅😎😊👍🏻🇺🇸 Thanks I will keep him in mind. |
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Post by Flocker on Aug 24, 2020 11:42:25 GMT
I just got off the phone with Lockwood. (My 5-year RR is also due next year) I asked if there was a kit and she said no. They are sending me the parts list for the 5-year rubber replacement. She did say there were a few model specific items we would need to get from Tecnam. I'll post my findings (& pricing) here. Here's what Lockwood sent me: Rotax 5-Year Hose and Rubber Component Req....xlsx (12.89 KB) |
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Post by buzz on Aug 24, 2020 16:21:23 GMT
Next installation of my nightmare. Last Friday I was told by Tecnam that we would have answers today from Capua about the hose. Today I am told that since this is the first day back from the weekend in Capua they don't have time to get me the answer about the part number for a silicon hose. Unbelievable! So I just called Lockwood to see if they can help me based off the parts list that Flocker provided above. They said that the hose listed as EARADH is not sufficient for the application (I am not sure of Flockers engine and specific install). They said it will kink. They said this specific section of hose has to come from Tecnam. I don't know what to believe now. Tecnam says that they have never had this issue with the type of hose that was installed on my plane. My mechanic tried to rearrange the hose but was unable to remove the kink.
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Post by Glenn on Aug 24, 2020 18:56:09 GMT
Buzz,
This is shocking and unbelievably poor support from Tecnam. If I were you I'd be so pissed I wouldn't be able to organize my thoughts and type a message.
I'm 9 months away from the 5 year fiasco. It's like no one has ever done the 5 year rubber replacement before!
If you haven't already, you might think about calling or emailing Roger Lee (roger@lsamechanic.com). Ray already posted Roger's phone numbers. He's seen countless Rotax engines and I'd be willing to be he could have a suitable recommnedation for this hose.
Glenn
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Post by buzz on Aug 24, 2020 22:33:24 GMT
Well lots of phone calls today. First emails to Josh. I have already said what happened with that.
1. Called Lockwood. They said its a Tecnam part and that they do not carry an appropriate hose. Hose is not covered in the parts list.
2. Called Mark Gregor and he directed me to two other possible sources of info.
3. Called Bruce at Wells Aviation. Dead end.
4. Called Brett Lawton at Leading Edge Airfoils. They have a 90 degree formed hose. Not sure if it will work however. The short leg that would go to expansion chamber is short so I will have to go measure. The other issue is that it is an auto hose from Gates. Apparently it gets used on ELSA but I am sure you know the potential issues of using a non Tecnam auto hose instead of Tecnams part.
5. Called California Power Systems which was the original supplier of the 6000-16 hose. Waiting for him to send me a diagram from 2008 part catalog of hoses. But now after looking at my catalog I think that is a dead end as well.
All these guys have been helpful but have not come up with the answer. The bottom line is this is a Tecnam part and just because someone is a Rotax expert doesn't mean they know about a Tecnam part. Sitting at day 62 with the plane O/S. I would imagine several more weeks if I have to wait for a hose from Capua. Not to mention $237.00 for a foot long piece of hose. One more interesting thing. Kevin the guy at CPS said that he just did a 5 year on a P2008. He said when he started it up after the work it immediately overheated. He is now going to check to see if he has the same issue.
Thanks Glenn. I have Rogers number and will call tomorrow if I don't make any headway. Yes I am pissed my head is about ready to explode.
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Post by Ed Midgley on Aug 25, 2020 0:32:40 GMT
All this makes me feel good about converting to ELSA.
I’m doing my oil lines now and ran into a dead end with Tecnam. Got what I needed from a local hydraulic hose shop and Aircraft Spruce.
Ed
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Post by Flocker on Aug 25, 2020 8:24:34 GMT
Buzz, could you post a pic of the hose? I'm curious if it is a 914 specific hose or common to all Rotax engines.
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Post by buzz on Aug 26, 2020 2:50:57 GMT
Buzz, could you post a pic of the hose? I'm curious if it is a 914 specific hose or common to all Rotax engines. 1st pic shows the hose connected to expansion tank. Top center not lower left connection. 2nd shows the kink. This is looking down from top of the engine. You can also see the metal wye tube clapped to the end of the hose. 3rd Unfortunately it is sideways. The left is up. This shows the wye on the end. |
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